tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.comments2023-05-26T06:52:11.202-07:00All of GraceChad Vegashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09625838908584192631noreply@blogger.comBlogger116125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-74449332475313432512014-10-17T09:32:00.228-07:002014-10-17T09:32:00.228-07:00Umm...I believe this angelic-voiced quartet alread...Umm...I believe this angelic-voiced quartet already settled this once and for all. Next topic, gentlemen.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrczyFvkv8QDerekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299812516015799407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-73903114407113906322014-10-14T23:57:04.261-07:002014-10-14T23:57:04.261-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Chad Vegashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625838908584192631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-89413362788384366452014-10-14T23:25:46.524-07:002014-10-14T23:25:46.524-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-11348388825602349982014-10-14T22:04:01.127-07:002014-10-14T22:04:01.127-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-59643811326315236742014-10-14T16:11:24.036-07:002014-10-14T16:11:24.036-07:00Well said Brother, well said. I pray they will ris...Well said Brother, well said. I pray they will rise to the challenges. Terry Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03653343275678341891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-49909731253022174852014-10-14T07:09:52.261-07:002014-10-14T07:09:52.261-07:00Thank you. Good words, very gracious. Thank you. Good words, very gracious. Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14996350149733433163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-77580152819491670872014-10-14T05:22:49.832-07:002014-10-14T05:22:49.832-07:00Praying for preparation of their hearts to receive...Praying for preparation of their hearts to receive and respondNancyGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02203705761209198913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-13391435515657349512013-08-13T08:38:38.638-07:002013-08-13T08:38:38.638-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-37039332641922207302013-06-12T12:27:40.520-07:002013-06-12T12:27:40.520-07:00Brandy,
I couldn't agree more. I spent severa...Brandy,<br /><br />I couldn't agree more. I spent several days of my vacation selecting curriculum, planning the execution of said curriculum, and putting together an implementation plan for Teresa and the kids...and we haven't even gotten to the point of actually working the plan with the children and helping them learn as they read and study. It is true that as children get older they become more independent. However, even then there is a lot of work involved in making wise choices educationally and following thru with helping your children in their learning.Chad Vegashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625838908584192631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-67390080492791967292013-06-12T11:55:43.013-07:002013-06-12T11:55:43.013-07:00I only have experience as a homeschooler, and I ha...I only have experience as a homeschooler, and I have to say I appreciate that you said this:<br /><br />"1. It is a lot of work. It should not be taken on by those who won't follow through."<br /><br />I feel like this is one of those things that doesn't get talked about among homeschoolers. In fact, I think it is a very prevalent mindset right now among curriculum providers to market curricula that will help a child "teach themselves." A certain extent of this really *is* possible, and children learn best (in my opinion) when they are responsible to learn, but what I've seen lately are parents who are *shocked* when their child asks a question the curriculum doesn't cover, or when the child goes through the curriculum's explanation, and still doesn't get it. These parents weren't really prepared to become *teachers*, to master subjects so that they could answer questions, and the education of the children has suffered as a result.Brandy Vencelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17945305890488681685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-54226260330291666782013-05-11T08:11:27.324-07:002013-05-11T08:11:27.324-07:00"Challenge" probably wasn't the corr..."Challenge" probably wasn't the correct word. I suppose that is the biggest danger of being able to post comments--speaking the wrong words!<br /><br />I was hoping you'd define things more clearly--I think I was looking for a proposition...which you basically gave in your comment here! "Education is ____ and its purpose is ____." I suppose sometimes I need things spelled out. :)<br /><br />I haven't read Desiring the Kingdom yet (actually, I do not own it yet) so I do not know exactly where you are coming from on the cultural liturgy issue. My experience with that concept is based upon my reading of works by Catholics, from whom I have learned much on this subject, and yet I always feel I must be careful because of our doctrinal differences.<br /><br />When I read through the basic works of Christian eduction throughout history, from Augustine, to Comenius, to the Reformers and Erasmus, and Comenius, Charlotte Mason and modern writers like Lewis and Hicks and Taylor, I see a stream of thought that extends the concept of affections beyond worship, so I did not interpret worship = affections when I read your post, though now that you say this more explicitly, I see that.<br /><br />I think that the ordering of the affections was, historically speaking, broader, but not having read the book perhaps the author somehow extends the concept of worship to cover all the affections?<br /><br />In brief, though, the affections would cover all of the loves and delights of humanity. We wants those loves to stay proportional to the actual, objective worth of the object that is loved, and so we want it *not* to develop into worship. Just as Theology was seen as the queen of the four sciences, and therefore of the seven liberal arts as well, so worship (love of God) was the queen of the affections. But there were other affections (patriotism comes to mind) that teachers saw themselves as developing (and yet keeping from developing into worship--in this case, jingoism). That is why Charlotte Mason said that the ultimate question of whether you have been successful as a teacher is not "how much does the youth *know*" but rather "how much does he love?"<br /><br />What I see modern education a la John Dewey mass producing is the opposite of this: the apathetic youth, who thinks nothing is worth loving. John Dewey's philosophy is worked out in the education of *most* children in the United States, regardless of where they are schooled, and I believe it has a numbing effect.<br /><br />Now I am talking too much. I do not disagree with anything you said, but hoped to see you develop it out a little more because I *think* the affections cover more than worship, but also the lesser loves.<br /><br />Actually, something just clicked for me right now as I was thinking about the word amoris. That is the genitive form of the word love. It is also singular. Maybe I am wrong to not view it as a singularity even though the conversation is usually about affections, plural.<br />Brandy Vencelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17945305890488681685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-76328383027343454532013-05-10T11:45:51.528-07:002013-05-10T11:45:51.528-07:00Brandy,
I'm not sure I completely understand ...Brandy,<br /><br />I'm not sure I completely understand your challenge. I'm fairly certain I have defined education as discipleship, as the shaping of the worship (affections) and worldview (ideas) of our children. I haven't limited education to the academic sphere, which I am certain you are not doing either. I haven't yet written on those who teach our children and the importance of that with regard to discipleship. Anyway, could you tell me more what you have in mind as I was clearly giving a nod to Augustine when I was talking about ordering our children's affections thru the worship practices in the liturgy of our families' rhythms. Thanks.Chad Vegashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625838908584192631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-52398352711426624082013-05-09T09:14:21.204-07:002013-05-09T09:14:21.204-07:00I'm enjoying this series, Chad!
I hope you do...I'm enjoying this series, Chad!<br /><br />I hope you don't mind me challenging you a bit, but I think you are missing an essential component of the conversation (so far...maybe that is coming up), and that is the big question of what education actually is, or is supposed to be, or what is its purpose. You did say that education is not merely the transference of information (with which I agree!), but that only tells us what education is not.<br /><br />The ancients (meaning Greeks and Romans) believed that the purpose of education was virtue. Augustine sort of piggy-backs on this when he says that virtue is <i>ordo amoris</i>--the proper ordering of the affections. Now, of course, the Greek and Roman standards would be different from the Christian's standards in terms of affections, but CS Lewis thought the point remained (see The Abolition of Man).<br /><br />How education is defined, and what is viewed to be its purpose, has to be central to a discussion about education. I see many families debating over *location* of education (in the home, in the school, if in the school--which school?) without realizing that everything else flows from our philosophy.<br /><br />If I believe that children have souls and that their minds feed upon ideas and that the purpose of education is to tutor them in right loves--to teach them to love the different aspects of creation as they ought (a friend of mine called this "taking mental dominion")--I am going to teach in an entirely different manner, and my curriculum will be different. Who I am as a teacher will matter because if *I* have not love, I am merely a clanging gong.<br /><br />But if I believe that education is, as Dewey said, "an organism adapting to its environment" and that the only Permanent Thing is "change," then my curriculum will be what we see in most schools--public OR private--and even in homeschools. It'll be one experiment after another, it'll be focused on experience rather than ideas conveyed by logoi--by words--and who the teacher is (whether he possess virtue of any kind) will seem irrelevant.<br /><br />Sorry for hijacking your post here. Educational philosophy is a pet project of mine. :)<br /><br />I look forward to reading your future posts!<br />Brandy Vencelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17945305890488681685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-90125169825417009672013-05-09T08:37:49.084-07:002013-05-09T08:37:49.084-07:00Thanks Chad for posting!!! I'm excited to read...Thanks Chad for posting!!! I'm excited to read the next one. Celina Abelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16400237301815071783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-33752882571739664692013-05-08T15:37:20.723-07:002013-05-08T15:37:20.723-07:00I wonder if I'm missing the genesis of this to...I wonder if I'm missing the genesis of this topic since I'm no longer on Facebook. That being said, very well-considered argument you're laying out. I look forward to your next posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-4341928543532637852013-05-07T22:53:03.374-07:002013-05-07T22:53:03.374-07:00I appreciate all the info and the insight. My wife...I appreciate all the info and the insight. My wife and I are in this place where we are trying to figure out what to do with schooling for our kids.<br />Ill be interested to hear the insight into what you are doing with your family.<br /><br />Thanks again for sharing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02300008309301479830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-67928967758201114572012-02-15T18:21:21.390-08:002012-02-15T18:21:21.390-08:00i think that 3 John 10 as well as the Didache help...i think that 3 John 10 as well as the Didache helps bring a little more clarity to this. (Didache doesn't bring any authority, just context.)<br /><br />this isn't a call to not let your mormon aunt eat at your table for thanksgiving...but seems that the greeting and lodging would be an endorsement of their ministry. <br /><br />"Greeting" seems to suggest words of affirmation/encouragement or even suggesting that you bless their ministry. "Lodging" seems to speak to financially/physically enabling/supporting their ministry.danny2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13010556674654842010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-4308133330661563462012-02-02T00:41:05.352-08:002012-02-02T00:41:05.352-08:00Let's not jump to conclusions. The post isn...Let's not jump to conclusions. The post isn't down because I am afraid of anything. The post is down because I a full-time pastor, it went surprisingly went viral, and I don't have time to keep up with all the emails, calls etc...almost 100% of which were extremely positive but making me too busy. I have to preach and shepherd the flock. I blog rarely and usually to a small audience. I didn't anticipate this kind of response.Chad Vegashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09625838908584192631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-39890284144029229782012-02-01T15:06:41.202-08:002012-02-01T15:06:41.202-08:00"I decided to pull the post and restart my la..."I decided to pull the post and restart my lame blogging career with less controversial posts."<br /><br />sigh.<br /><br />I don't see the point of that. You spoke truth. Do you think it isn't going to get you flak? Will you pull back from the truth when it gets you real persecution? What you are doing is telling the world and the Lord you will shrink from the truth if the world tells you to.<br /><br />I'm disappointed. It's not like people don't already know or can't find out about it.<br /><br />Why is it that pastors <br />1. don't stand up clearly for truth or <br />2. if they dare to, immediately get scared/exasperated and retreat<br /><br />The world (and the worldly church) has Christian men trained but good. "Don't step out of line now...we will make your life very unpleasant."<br /><br />I simply don't get that. I don't have nearly as much testosterone as a guy and I still don't get it. Where have all the vertebrae gone?terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-19277069760883680372012-01-31T14:50:01.405-08:002012-01-31T14:50:01.405-08:00First to know how to respond to it, I think we hav...First to know how to respond to it, I think we have to be clear of what he is talking about. I don't believe he is referring to all unbelievers as some may think. But referring to those aggressively apposing the Gospel and trying to lead the sheep astray as well as those living in unrepentant sin. <br />The head of the house and the leadership of the church must protect their family from these wolfs. <br /><br />And though we may accept unbelievers into our homes, it is not a time of fellowship, rather a time to witness through the word and or your life.Joe Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13346609346184527498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-23461348270869868352012-01-31T11:32:15.767-08:002012-01-31T11:32:15.767-08:00Pastor Vegas,
I understand your posting in both c...Pastor Vegas,<br /><br />I understand your posting in both cases. I've been following the ER2 discussion since Jakes was invited. There has been plenty of aggressive disagreement, but yours was loving and truthful. Your tone was much more like that of Pastor Voddie Baucham. http://www.gracefamilybaptist.net/voddie-baucham-ministries/blog/elephant-room-2012-01/#.TybEEdQ2UqE.twitter<br /><br />God bless you for your loving stance for truth. Keep running the race brother.<br /><br />In Christ,<br />BenBen Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10065593481069583432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-87035710631256196442012-01-31T10:03:56.133-08:002012-01-31T10:03:56.133-08:00Chad,
As one of the elders at a local church (ex...Chad, <br /><br />As one of the elders at a local church (ex-A29. Boise, ID), I appreciate your post. I think you were very affirming of those great characteristics of other pastors within the network and with Mark himself. Great example of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. At the same time, I think this was a non-negotiable and appreciate the fact there are other pastors who are willing to make difficult stands on these important doctrinal matters. I will pray for your transition with your church and your family.<br /><br />Yours in Christ<br />JoshJosh Baleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13439168558613623942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-37477071059705254312012-01-31T09:21:07.898-08:002012-01-31T09:21:07.898-08:00All in love brother, Matt 10:28 "And do not f...All in love brother, Matt 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."<br />People will always be people and have opinions, if comments are a problem then block them but you are held to say what God tells you to say.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00218029879615152413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-65361062826911522152012-01-31T01:33:52.175-08:002012-01-31T01:33:52.175-08:00Pastor Vegas,
Thank you for having the courage to...Pastor Vegas,<br /><br />Thank you for having the courage to leave Acts 29. I, and many others, also appreciated your willingness to speak publicly about this. We obviously regret your having removed your original post, but you nevertheless have our prayerful support.<br /><br />Grace and peace.BetterThanSacrificehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11767042173664922036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5970052440177463768.post-84784257834130110852012-01-30T21:46:54.014-08:002012-01-30T21:46:54.014-08:00I'm sorry to hear this Mr. Vegas. The portion...I'm sorry to hear this Mr. Vegas. The portion of your post that I read was loving, precise, and well spoken. Grace and peace.Charlenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13361921772340278114noreply@blogger.com